Aged Care bonds

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Aged Care bonds

Postby catron » Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:39 am

Does anyone have personal or family experience of these bonds? They are obviously an important factor to consider in estate planning but as the article below from The Age today shows, they appear not to be well understood by many people. The sums collectively involved are at present substantial and certainly will be even more so in the future.

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Aged-care bonds a financial time bomb set to explode
Email Print Normal font Large font Max Newnham
September 7, 2007

THE confusion and concern about aged-care bonds continues. More and more people are providing examples of the financial stress that these bonds can cause.

To understand how big a problem the bonds will become, we only need to look at how much income the Federal Government estimated bonds would be earning by now.

In August 1997 the responsible minister, Judi Moylan, said that within 10 years accommodation bonds would generate at least $1.5 billion annual income. At an 8 per cent interest rate, accommodation bonds should now total $18.75 billion.

Q. I am 73 and recently invested $200,000 in superannuation. I have sold my home and will be moving into a retirement village next month. I had planned to invest the surplus from this, a further $200,000, into superannuation.

If I had a stroke and went into a nursing home, could I lose my superannuation and other savings, now totalling about $700,000? As this money is intended for my children, I am understandably upset.

A. Under the aged-care rules, if you had to go into a low-care facility, you could be forced to pay an aged-care bond of up to $667,000. This would mean your superannuation pension income would cease and you would have to make do with the aged pension and the earnings on $33,000. On your death the bond would be paid to your estate, so your children would not miss out on their inheritance.

Q. Do you know whether aged-care hostels are allowed to demand an accommodation bond ($250,000 in my mother's case) for providing high care?

A. In normal circumstances a high-care facility cannot demand an accommodation bond. The exception is when a facility is classed by the Department of Health and Ageing as an "extra service" facility. In these cases the facility provides additional services or an improved lifestyle and can charge what it wants.

Q. I am a fully self-funded retiree home owner with only some of my capital invested in an allocated pension — the balance is in direct shares and some fixed interest. If need arises, is it only my home and my allocated pension on which these people could get their hands?

A. Under the rules a low-care facility could force you to sell your home and take all but $33,000 of your investments and your allocated pension.

Q. Could you clarify where the money in the accommodation bonds is held and for what purpose? Also, what safeguards are there if the accommodation developer goes bankrupt?

A. Accommodation bonds must be held in investments that enable the facility to repay bonds within 14 days of a resident advising he or she is leaving.

Where a bond is not paid within the required time, the facility must pay interest. The income earned on bonds is used to maintain and upgrade the facility.

Since May 31 last year, the Federal Government has provided a guarantee for accommodation bonds. If a provider goes broke the Government repays the bond.

Q. My wife and I have separate super investments and pensions from our self-managed fund. If one of us has to go into aged care, can the other person's pension and super investments be affected other than the loss of one income into the household?

A. The assets test is applied jointly. The value of assets is calculated, then the person needing the aged care can be required to pay half of the value of all investments, except for $33,000, as a bond.

This spouse not requiring aged care would have make do with a lot less income.

Send questions to max@taxbiz.com.au

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Re: Aged Care bonds

Postby Judd » Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:17 pm

The thing that annoys me, and a lot of other people, is that an aged care bond is an interest free loan to the accommodation provider. The provider can invest it and is supposedly required to use the interest to improve the buildings or provision of care. As implied in the article there is apparently no upper limit on the amount of the bond. It is just that the minimum amount of cash you are left with is $33,000. Your account-based pension disappears and you are left with the pittance of the age pension from which I have been told, the provider can deduct something like 85%. It stinks. It was all brought in from the benefit of the accommodation provider and who cares about the patient? Oh, sure, there are a few measly words from the Federal Government and providers as to how this benefits patients in aged care accommodation but it is just PR spin in my view.

As far as I can find out there is no integrity checking that the accommodation provider actually uses the interest for building improvements or care and not to fund their daughter's university education. Nor does there to be any real checks preventing the provider actually dipping into the bond itself.

If I had to go into such a place, I can only wish that I had my wits about me, and the courage, to jump off the nearest cliff.

It's a rort. Big time.

Forgot to mention that the accommodation provider can lawfully dip into the bond to the tune of a maximum $280 per month for 5 years. It's call a retention amount I have been told. Nobody I have spoken to can tell my why it is allowed.
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Re: Aged Care bonds

Postby catron » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:40 pm

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"Aged-care bond threat to super will get worse


Max Newnham | August 31, 2007 - 10:55AM

The threat that aged-care bonds pose to superannuation will increase as years go by.

Baby boomers enticed to deposit large amounts into superannuation are potentially the biggest losers.

If they or their partner need to go into aged care, they stand to lose all their super as an accommodation bond.

The Federal Government, despite having enticed people to put their trust and money in super, has no interest in the threat that aged-care bonds pose.

The minister responsible does not even answer questions about it. The Labor Party also has little interest.

It is an unfortunate fact of political life that unless enough noise is made about a problem, nothing is fixed.

The correspondence and questions from readers about this threat demonstrates that it is causing concern.

Q. Thank you for your enlightening article on health-care homes, bonds, etc. My father is going through this trauma in Britain, so your article was quite timely.

Let me say to all baby boomers: sort this out now. Do not wait till you are at the health-care door - by then it is too late.

I do have some questions on how I may be affected here.

Is there any asset test on a high-care nursing home? Is the accommodation bond for low-care centres refunded when you leave the low-care centre, or does it go to your estate when you die?

Are assets held in a family trust subject to the accommodation bond for low-care centres?

A. Although there is no assets test for high-care accommodation, the value of a person's assets is taken into account when assessing how much they earn.

All testing of income and assets for aged-care facilities is done by Centrelink or the Department of Veteran's Affairs on behalf of the Department of Health and Ageing.

As such, the income and asset rules apply to aged-care assessments.

This means that as well as a person's actual income received being counted, the deeming rules also apply.

Where there are non-interest-bearing loans to family members or family trusts, they will be deemed to be earning an income. The amount of income a person is assessed as earning will dictate the amount of income-tested fee they will pay for high care.

A person can not be asked to pay more than the actual cost of their care, or $92.31 a day if this is less than actual cost.

The total value of a person's assets is counted when being assessed for low care. Therefore, where a person is owed money by a family trust, the money is counted as an asset. In the event of a person needing to go into low care, the money would need to be used to pay an accommodation bond.

When a person transfers from one low-care facility to another, the bond is transferred.

If you transfer into high care, you must seek the agreement of the low-care provider to have your bond refunded. " (quote ends)


I came across the above article also by Max Newnham, author of the article in my first post.

As he says no one on either side of the political fence seems interested in the issue of accommodation bonds. Given the imminent election I will be taking this matter up with the local candidates in my electorate and also with the current Minister (Chris Pyne).

I agree with you Judd that there seem to be too many loose ends in the present policy and that many issues still need to be properly addressed.

Up to now I have not been aware that the main seniors lobby groups have given this matter a high profile in their activities and I will also be following up with some of them to see what is going on.

The sparse discussion response to this thread is probably a pointer to the generally low level of awareness of this issue among the broader population.

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Re: Aged Care bonds

Postby benthonic » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:55 pm

Thanks Catron & Judd for bringing this to our attention. I have always thought they were structured to favour one party over another, but the enormity of the imbalance is only just starting to sink in.

Personally, I wouldn't even take a reverse mortgage out.
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Re: Aged Care bonds

Postby egilmore » Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:24 pm

Is the SMH reading SG ? Otherwise the following article is nothing but a mere coincident ? ...cheers eG

Problem of aged-care bonds needs to be tackled
Max Newnham
October 13, 2007

ANY doubts about whether Australians have embraced superannuation with a passion were dispelled with the contribution figures for the June quarter.

For the first time, members' contributions exceeded those of employers.

The $22.4 billion that members contributed, three times higher than the previous record, shows how much faith Australians are placing in superannuation.

The problem is that this faith may be misplaced: without an overhaul of the funding of

aged-care places, many baby boomers will have to cash in their super to fund aged-care bonds.

Under existing regulations, a person can be required to pay an aged-care bond when going into low-level aged care.

There is no limit on the amount of bond. This means

a person can be forced to sell all his or her investments, cash in superannuation, sell the house, and be left with only $33,500.

Statistics show that more people go directly to high-level care rather than starting off in low-level care. But with an ageing population, more people will need low-level care.

The Bureau of Statistics estimates that the number of people aged 85 and older will increase from under 1 million to almost 4 million by 2051.

This is a major concern because people aged 85 and older require most of the support with assisted housing, health and disability services.

Not even taking into account the threat to superannuation, the system puts many people through unnecessary heartache and distress when they are most vulnerable.

A few years ago, I had a client who was finding it hard to look after her husband, who had Parkinson's disease. His condition eventually got so bad that he had to be admitted to a low-care aged facility.

The couple survived on a lifetime state government employee pension and a small amount invested. In addition to their family home, they had a holiday house that provided much-needed rest and relaxation.

To fund the aged-care bond, they had to sell the holiday house. Had they also been receiving an allocated pension, they would have been forced to cash in some or all of it as well.

This threat to superannuation is not a big one now. Many people entering aged care tend not to have large amounts in super and rely more on the age pension.

But with the rush of money into super since simple super was introduced, and compulsory employer contributions since 1992, it will become a much larger issue.

The type and quality of accommodation for the aged differ widely.

Accommodation ranges from houses, units and flats in the community and independent units in retirement villages, to low-care and high-care in aged-care facilities.

In low-care facilities, residents live somewhat independently but have access to 24-hour nursing and also receive help with day-to-day living.

High-care facilities provide a much greater level of supervised living.

The Federal Government funds and regulates low-care and high-care aged accommodation.

All residential aged-care providers must abide by a Commonwealth accreditation system that consists of 44 areas of compliance. Recent publicity about some aged-care facilities failing compliance requirements shows the system is working.

The process of someone entering an aged-care facility starts with an assessment team that establishes the level of care required.

This can be low-level care or the high-level care associated with nursing homes.

There are more aged-care homes offering "ageing in place"; that is high-level and low-level care. This makes it possible for a resident to stay in the same home as their needs increase.

The Commonwealth determines almost all types of fees that these facilities can charge.

The two main types of fees are accommodation payments and daily care fees. The daily care fee is the resident's contribution and is determined by income. The higher the income, the higher the fee.

Daily care fees start at $31.52 for full pensioners. The fees then rise on a sliding scale to a maximum daily additional income-tested fee of $55.28. This additional fee is payable by people with an annual income exceeding $83,890 or couples with income exceeding $167,007.

Accommodation payments enable aged-care homes to maintain and upgrade the safety and quality of their buildings. By law, aged-care homes must use all money raised by accommodation bonds and charges to improve accommodation and services.

The cost of building and maintaining aged-care facilities is not cheap. Gerard Mansour, chief executive of Aged and Community Care Victoria, estimates it costs up to $200,000 a bed (plus ensuite) to build a quality aged-care facility, plus fit-out and land, in most metropolitan capitals.

High-level aged-care providers can charge only a daily accommodation fee, which the Commonwealth sets. The maximum daily accommodation charge is $17.55 for any resident with more than $65,029 in assets.

"To be viable, most providers must build a high-care facility of more than 60 beds," Mansour says. "To fund a high-care project of this size requires income to be generated at the rate of at least $50 a day to pay for the set-up costs."

Accommodation payments for low-level care can either take the form of regular payments, equal to the interest that would be earned on a bond plus retentions, or as a lump-sum accommodation bond.

In most cases, an accommodation bond will be charged. The amount of bond depends on the value of an individual's or a couple's assets. These include the home, furniture and equipment, cars, caravans, and all investments, including superannuation.

Where one person has to go into low-level aged care, and their spouse remains living in the home, the value of the home is not included in the assets test. For a couple requiring low-level care, the value of the home is included and in most cases must be sold to pay the bond.

Where a bond is not paid at the time of entering a facility, the aged-care provider charges interest of up to 10.75 per cent.

Depending on when a person leaves a facility, the bond will be returned, less a retention amount. The retention amount is based on length of time in the facility.

It is charged at $280 a month, up to $16,800. This retention amount is calculated by multiplying $280 by the number of months in the facility, up to 60 months.

There is now no limit on the amount of bond that can be charged. When only one person enters low-level care, the total value of the couple's assets is assessed.

Half the value of the couple's assets is attributed to the person entering aged care and they could be left with only $33,500 of their share of the assets.

In this situation, the spouse not requiring aged care can be forced to sell some investments and assets to fund the amount of bond required.

A spouse can also be forced to cash in part of his or her superannuation, in addition to cashing in their husband's or wife's super, to fund the bond.

With no limit on the amount of bond required, a person can be left with almost no superannuation or investments.

The effect of this will be disastrous in two ways.

First, people will suffer a dramatic deterioration in their lifestyle as they will no longer be receiving the super pension on which they had been relying.

Second, the financial demands on the Commonwealth will increase because these people will be forced on to the aged pension.

The Howard Government and the Labor Party appear unconcerned about this problem. In fact, neither party will even comment on whether they recognise there is a problem.

But there is a solution: allowing aged-care facilities to charge bonds for low-level and high-level care.

"If aged-care providers were able to charge bonds for both levels of care, the industry would then be able to look at options such as placing a limit on the amount of bond required, depending on a person's capacity to pay," Mansour says.

With the federal election looming, voters have a perfect opportunity to have both parties tackle the aged-care bond problem.

If people do not take the time to contact their local member about the problem, nothing will change. In this situation, Australians will be putting their superannuation and lifestyle at risk.

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Re: Aged Care bonds

Postby G » Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:31 pm

Amazing,

We are allowed to build enormous Super Nest Eggs with no tax after 60 only to have them legitimately pilfered by unaccountable aged care facilities.

Do I understand this correctly?
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Re: Aged Care bonds

Postby Judd » Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:22 pm

egilmore wrote:Is the SMH reading SG ? Otherwise the following article is nothing but a mere coincident ? ...cheers eG


Max Newham has been writting about this matter for sometime. He is the author of the articles catron has been quoting.

G wrote:Amazing,

We are allowed to build enormous Super Nest Eggs with no tax after 60 only to have them legitimately pilfered by unaccountable aged care facilities.

Do I understand this correctly?


If you put it that way, the answer would seem to be yes. If you go into a low-care facility a bond is ripped off you if you have the money. Should you and the provider agree (fat chance if you want the placing) you can pay it off in monthly installments, etc, etc. If in high care, no bond is required................ but but but providers and all the academics people argue that the user should pay (yep, almost sounds reasonable) and accommodation bonds should be introduced for high care. Number of providers cry poor, no money for capital works, and so forth and so on. Yet to see one of the buggers shaking the tin outside Flinders Street Station seeking donations to keep his aged care facility afloat.

Oh, and when you try and get your head around "Extra Service" you will be amazed. Like $60 per day extra in fees because you have a choice of hot meals at dinner, ie hot baked beans on toast or hot fish fingers. True. Now if it were a field trip to the local bordello........
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Re: Aged Care bonds

Postby catron » Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:25 pm

No EG, No coincidence. The article you quoted from the SMH also appeared in The Age, another Fairfax publication, which was the source of the Newnham articles quoted in my earlier posts.

This is a topic which should concern us all either as possible candidates for such care ourselves or as the relatives of aged people about to enter such facilities.

I think Newnham is doing a great service in continuing to draw public attention to what is going on in the aged care area. Those who share his concerns should alert others and also question their (about to be) elected representatives as to their future policies.

With the election date now announced what better time to act?


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Re: Aged Care bonds

Postby egilmore » Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:29 pm

We should think beyond the square in this very critical , to so many of us , issue .
The BOND + the exohorbitant monthly fees are beyond the means of most Australians .
The current situation depletes life savings of people .Subtly it is like estate/inheritance tax .

Are there any insurance for such a situation that may arise in future ? I mean like life insurance which is payable on death ? this insurance would cover bonds and part of the aged care ibstitution monthly fees .

Perhaps , the government should be encouraged to allow issuance of temporary work permits , for carers from countries where skilled carers are unable to find proper jobs in their own countries . Such carers would live-in with old frail people or those that suffered from a debilitating sickness ( such as bad strokes , progressive dimentia etc ) . This would allow the frail to stay at home , and assist the carers in establishing a better life . It would be also extremely good for the families of the frail , because the burden of financing the stay of their love ones would be manageable .

A few years ago I met a person in a Singapore Hotel whose job was to arrange carers fron countries in Eastern Europe and Asian Tiger economies into the West European countries . Why couldn't we do the same here ?
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Re: Aged Care bonds

Postby Judd » Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:37 pm

egilmore wrote:We should think beyond the square in this very critical , to so many of us , issue .
The BOND + the exohorbitant monthly fees are beyond the means of most Australians .
The current situation depletes life savings of people .Subtly it is like estate/inheritance tax .

Are there any insurance for such a situation that may arise in future ? I mean like life insurance which is payable on death ? this insurance would cover bonds and part of the aged care ibstitution monthly fees .

Perhaps , the government should be encouraged to allow issuance of temporary work permits , for carers from countries where skilled carers are unable to find proper jobs in their own countries . Such carers would live-in with old frail people or those that suffered from a debilitating sickness ( such as bad strokes , progressive dimentia etc ) . This would allow the frail to stay at home , and assist the carers in establishing a better life . It would be also extremely good for the families of the frail , because the burden of financing the stay of their love ones would be manageable .

A few years ago I met a person in a Singapore Hotel whose job was to arrange carers fron countries in Eastern Europe and Asian Tiger economies into the West European countries . Why couldn't we do the same here ?
cheers eG


Ummm, with the greatest of respect, may I ask what part of No don't you understand? No one, organisation or individual, will touch this industry in a pink fit. It is much cheaper to maintain your elderly parent in their own home than admit them to an aged care facility. Assume the oldies have say $1M in invest able assets returning say 6%. So we now have $60k per year (aside from tax but franked divvies can take there of of that) Now with $60k pa plus assistance from community services, such as a nurse two or three times a week (to ensure the body is still alive if not the mind), why on earth you would wish to donate $1m as an interest free loan to some spiv with loads of bling who drives that latest Merc, just to be comfortable in the final stages of life?

If I had 20 aged care people each paying $60 per day for Extra Service, I could hire a 20 seater bus, take them down to the local footy club, feed the lot of them for $400, put $200 through the pokies and come home with $800 profit less cost of bus hire. EVERY DAY, SEVEN DAYS PER WEEK.

You have absolutely no idea of how much the elderly are being ripped off. And both you and I will one day be one of those people.
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Re: Aged Care bonds

Postby Judd » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:56 pm

This is probably not the first time it has happened and likely will not be the last. But it still stinks. There is really no protection for the residents of these facilities or their relatives who are probably stressed out. In my simplistic view accommodation bonds should NOT be held by the provider but by an independent trustee similar to the rental bond boards. The total money involved is probably quite large based on the numbers quoted in the article and more than likely will increase in future years.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/stor ... 52,00.html


Families fear for aged-care cash

Article from: The Courier-Mail

Anthony Marx and Tanya Chilcott

December 26, 2007 11:00pm

DESPERATE relatives of elderly Queensland dementia sufferers are battling to recoup hundreds of thousands of dollars in accommodation bonds held by three men whose companies have already failed to repay about $10 million allegedly owed to property investors.

Families of those who lived in a now-closed aged-care complex at Carrara, on the Gold Coast, say they fear that their bonds of up to $250,000 may have disappeared. For some of the 27 residents, the money amounted to their life savings.

At least four of the relatives complained of not getting satisfactory answers and said Lifecare Services Australia directors Colin Francis, David Stoyakovich and Robert Adcock would not return their calls.

Lifecare lost control of Carrara and another aged-care centre after failing to make repayments to two non-bank lenders that have launched legal action against Mr Francis and Mr Stoyakovich over more than $8.5 million in high-interest loans backed by their personal guarantees. Carrara closed in late September, two months after federal regulators said it posed "an immediate and severe risk to its patients".

Mr Francis and Mr Adcock, a former bankrupt who recently left Lifecare, did not return calls. Mr Stoyakovich declined to comment. But in a November 19 email to Patrick Martin-Vegue – the son of one patient – Mr Francis vowed to return bonds.

"We have been waiting on a settlement to initiate the return of bonds . . . The mortgagee withheld funds that was (sic) meant to be allocated for bonds. Under an agreement reached by our lawyers on Friday, they have up to 14 days to account for the money. As soon as that is finalised, bond payments will be made," Mr Francis wrote.

Those owed money may also receive relief from the Federal Government under the Aged Care (Bond Security) Act if Lifecare or related entity Lifestyle Care Providers is bankrupted. The minister can also authorise payments by making an "insolvency event declaration" if a company administrator is appointed. It is understood that at least one relative has retained law firm Slater & Gordon to make an overture to the Government and consider the merits of a class-action lawsuit. But there are fears that Lifecare and its directors have few, if any, assets worth pursuing.

Mr Martin-Vegue said he had failed to retrieve a $150,000 bond since his 74-year-old mother moved out of the centre in late August. He needs the money – which, under law, should have been returned within 14 days – to pay for another bond in her new nursing home.

"I'm very scared. This is my mum's life savings. I don't have $150,000 to replace that," the Dreamworld employee said.

Kelly Adams said her 82-year-old father sold his home to pay the $240,000 bond for himself and his partner.

She said Mr Francis would not return her calls about Mr Adams's $120,000 share.

"I don't know whether I have lost Dad's whole estate," Ms Adams said.

Dave Hannah – who is chasing $117,000 for his wife's bond – is "worried sick". Three months ago the Department of Health and Ageing assured the family that a "close eye" was being kept on Lifecare.

Now the 83-year-old, who sold his house in New Zealand to pay for the bond, stands to lose his life savings if he cannot retrieve the money.

The three Lifecare business partners have repeatedly clashed with ASIC over six property development schemes – including Carrara – during the past three years and they have allegedly failed to repay dozens of small investors about $10 million.

ASIC secured Supreme Court orders this month permanently banning the trio from dealing in financial products or operating a financial services business. The Australian Taxation Office is also chasing Mr Francis and Mr Stoyakovich in Southport District Court over nearly $90,000 allegedly owed from their firm Lifecare Management.

All three are former employees of the late Brian Maher, the notorious convicted tax cheat and three-time bankrupt who died two years ago.
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Re: Aged Care bonds

Postby G » Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:39 am

Brian Maher’s former employees must have picked up some “skills” by the look of things.
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