Budget - Super Concessional contributions to be cut in Half

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Re: Budget - Super Concessional contributions to be cut in Half

Postby benthonic » Wed May 06, 2009 8:46 am

as long as it not back-dated !!

of course it can't be.

I think we will have to wait and see - there will be Budget leaks along the way BUT/ AND a few other nasties that will be kept hidden. Definitely if you are earning over $150K don't expect any rebates or other middle class welfare to come your way.

I suspect franking credits will stay but the excess rebate refunded in super will be knocked on its head -
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Re: Budget - Super Concessional contributions to be cut in Half

Postby LainieJean » Fri May 08, 2009 6:07 pm

The version I read on Business Spectator quoted that salary sacrifice was being cut to $25k for those with income above $220k ($50k for over 50's)

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs. ... ent&src=is

However this would not really make sense, as anyone earning $220k would have around $20k in Super Guarantee, so could only salary sacrifice a further $30k anyway. Reducing this to $25k would not give much extra tax revenue.

If the $25k is to include the SG, then anyone earning over $280k would pay full tax on part of their SG.

This is just another example of the type of tinkering at the edges that has resulted in our current tax system being such a mess.

Our PM is certainly taking a Robin Hood attitude. So far high income earners missed out on the tax bonus, their super is to get a haircut and they are likely to lose the health insurance rebate.

However we have been assured the promised tax cuts are not being cancelled.


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Re: Budget - Super Concessional contributions to be cut in Half

Postby Judd » Tue May 12, 2009 9:21 pm

People may be interested in the recommendations of the Tax Review which was released today, ie same day as the Budget, so it did not attract wide spread media coverage.

http://taxreview.treasury.gov.au/Conten ... ses/05.htm

Tax Review report on the retirement income system

The Government has today released the report prepared by the Australia’s Future Tax System Review Panel into the retirement income system. The report presents the Panel’s broad strategic views on the retirement income system.

The Panel’s key finding is that the three-pillar architecture of Australia’s retirement income system — consisting of the means tested Age Pension, compulsory saving through the superannuation guarantee and voluntary saving for retirement — should be retained. The retirement income system is facing increasing challenges as the 21st century unfolds which will test the sustainability, adequacy, acceptability and coherence of the system. The three‑pillar architecture is well suited for a balanced and flexible response to these challenges.

However, there is a need for some adaptive change to calibrate the three pillars so the system serves its purposes and retains its strengths.

The Panel recommends:

    * maintaining the superannuation guarantee at 9 per cent, not extending the superannuation guarantee to the self employed and retaining the $450 per month threshold;
    * gradually increasing the Age Pension age to 67 years;
    * gradually aligning the age at which people can access their superannuation savings (the preservation age) with the increased Age Pension age;
    * improving the fairness and coherence of the pension means tests, possibly through a single test, and improve incentives to work beyond retirement age;
    * reducing the complexities resulting from the interactions between the tax-transfer system and the aged care sector;
    * maintaining tax assistance to superannuation but improving the fairness of concessions for contributions, including by broadening access to them, and considering whether the current cap on concessions is appropriate;
    * improving the ability of people to use their superannuation to manage longevity risk; and
    * improving the awareness and engagement of individuals with the retirement income system.

The report was developed with the help of many people, in particular those who provided, at short notice, valuable submissions and those who participated in direct consultation with the Panel and the Secretariat. The public consultation meetings also offered valuable information on issues of concern to the community about the retirement income system. The Panel records here its gratitude to all who have worked so diligently on this task, or taken time out to attend consultation meetings.

A range of issues that were raised in these submissions and consultations, such as the age beyond which a person cannot make contributions, the taxation of benefits received by members of untaxed funds and the taxation of superannuation death benefits, are not expressly dealt with in the report. However, they will be taken into account in the Panel’s final report due in December 2009, as they may be affected by the Panel’s recommendations on the broader tax-transfer system.

More information

Please visit http://www.taxreview.treasury.gov.au or call 1800 614 133 for copies of the papers and more information on the review.

Media contact: Tony Murray (02) 6263 3736

12 May 2009


Sorry about the lifting of the preservation age to the increased Aged Pension age of 67 years you young whipper snippers but it seems that the Government really, really like your work and wish for you to keep at it.
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Re: Budget - Super Concessional contributions to be cut in Half

Postby Judd » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:46 am

This is somewhat disturbing. How is the poor punter who is simply attempting to save for retirement going to work all this out? Sure, those on very high incomes probably have the ability and the wherewithal to get around it but the average wage earner doesn't have the time or more likely the inclination to work through all the "ins and outs."

I always considered that it made sense that once you had paid your home off to salary sacrifice to super to the extent that your net cash flow was the same as if you were still paying a mortgage. That concept has now been blown right out of the window.

Make things complicated and people lose faith in a product. If that was the intention, and it wasn't but really a grab for additional tax revenue now in the pretense of equity and fairness, these reforms have achieved that in spades. In addition, as stated in the article it will intentionally limit the benefit for future retired persons in regard to the tax-fee arrangements for the over 60's age group. Neat slight of hand. Tax 'em now and in doing so intentionally limit the out-year benefit.

Hello negative gearing and other innovative arrangements.

I no longer contribute to super and my wife ceased her salary sacrifice arrangements at the beginning of this year. We now concentrate on building up assets outside of superannuation to mitigate against the possibility of future changes. But no debt - shudder at the very thought of that word.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/forget-c ... -hps8.html

Forget concessions, the reality may be a 93% tax
ANNETTE SAMPSON
October 31, 2009

Fancy paying up to 93 per cent tax on your superannuation contributions? And you thought super was concessionally taxed.

Thanks to cuts in the last federal budget, many investors could unknowingly be heading for a big tax shock when they look at next year's super statement.

Most investors will be aware that the Government cracked down on so-called high income earners rorting the system by more than halving the amount you can contribute to super on a concessionally taxed basis.

The limits were cut from $100,000 for those aged 50 and above to $50,000 and from $50,000 to $25,000 for the under-50s. On the face of it, that halved the amounts allowed; in reality the cut was even more savage as those original limits had been due to be indexed this financial year.

Theoretically, the under-50s should have been able to squirrel away up to $55,000 this year - so the cut was more in the order of 55 per cent.

But all that is history. The new limits came in and apply for the first time this financial year. We're stuck with them.

But super experts are warning that not everyone understands how they work and could find they have unintentionally breached the new limits come next July.

That's because the new caps apply to all concessional (or pre-tax) contributions made on your behalf. So it's not just the voluntary contributions you elect to make through a salary sacrifice arrangement or by making tax-deductible contributions yourself, if you're eligible.

It also includes any compulsory super payments your employer makes on your behalf, plus any additional employer payments such as higher contributions and - wait for it - any costs of the fund subsidised by your employer.

Some employers, for example, choose to pay some or all of the administration or insurance costs of their corporate fund.

Employees are unlikely to take account of, or even be aware of this when deciding how much extra they should contribute.

But intentional or not, the penalties for making excess contributions are hefty. Any contributions above the limit are taxed at 31.5 per cent. That's on top of the normal 15 per cent contributions tax, so you're automatically being hit with the top tax rate of 46.5 per cent - regardless of your income or marginal tax rate.

Arguably, that should be penalty enough. But the excess is also counted towards your non-concessional cap - the amount that you can contribute after-tax. [You have got to be joking - but sadly not! - Judd]

If you're nearing retirement and have taken the opportunity to make a big after-tax contribution (maybe you've sold an investment or received a divorce settlement), you could find that excess contribution has tipped you over this cap as well. In that case more penalty tax will apply - another 46.5 per cent - taking the total tax hit to an incredible 93 per cent. If you are over the limit by $10,000, that's $9300 to the government and just $700 to you. It's hard to think of a more punitive tax rate.

The stiffness of these penalties is not accidental. They were introduced to limit the extent to which investors could benefit from the abolition of all taxes on super benefits taken after age 60. Limiting contributions was intended to be simpler and less costly than the convoluted old system of reasonable benefit limits.

But the lower contribution caps have made more people vulnerable to excess benefits, and super experts are warning of the need to review your contribution levels before it is too late.

The consulting company Mercer says a red flag should automatically be raised for anyone under 50 and earning more than $277,000 (or over 50 and earning more than $553,000 - though that's less common).

On this salary, if you are receiving your full compulsory super entitlement, that alone will amount to $24,930 (or $49,770) and even a small pay rise could tip you over the limit. Fortunately, there is a provision to stop you automatically being pushed into excess contributions. Your employer is only required to pay the Super Guarantee on the first $40,170 of ordinary time earnings per quarter - which equates to annual earnings of $160,680 a year. So you can talk to your employer about trading off some of those super contributions for other benefits, though they may not attract the same tax concessions. Mercer says one option is to keep the money going into super and have it counted as a non-concessional contribution.

You'll still pay the same 46.5 per cent you would have paid if you had taken the salary, and you'll be building up your super - so long as you take care not to exceed the non-concessional limit as well.

Other options include tax-effective investments like insurance bonds, borrowing to invest, paying off debt and managed funds.

But it is not just the super high earners who need to review their contribution levels. Compulsory super on a $150,000 salary is $13,500, so a modest contribution of $250 a week would push an investor over the new cap if they're under 50.

And someone earning less than this could run into problems if they are maximising their super contributions but don't reduce them after receiving a pay rise - and the corresponding lift in compulsory super.

The new limits have increased the importance of reviewing your super strategies early in the year, rather than the usual last-minute rush in June. It can be difficult to turn off arrangements at short notice and once contributed, you can't just ask for your money back.
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Re: Budget - Super Concessional contributions to be cut in Half

Postby Judd » Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:36 am

Work hard. Improve your lot in your working life. By doing so, so shall the country. That is the mantra of governments of all persuasions.

Apparently, however, in the interests of fairness when it comes to retirement ye shall receive no more than your neighbour.

It had to happen I suppose and it probably will.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/higherwa ... -i0al.html

Higher-wage earners to pay increased tax on super
PHILLIP COOREY CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
November 6, 2009

WAYNE SWAN has endorsed making those on higher incomes pay a higher rate of tax on superannuation contributions as part of the Government's response to the Henry review of taxation, recommendations of which would be implemented over a decade.

The Treasurer suggested yesterday that a sliding tax scale would be applied to super contributions.

Citing fairness as a priority, Mr Swan said the current 15 per cent flat tax on superannuation contributions meant the value of the concession on contributions increased as the person earned more. .

Mr Swan said this worked against the progressive personal income tax scale, which he considered fair. For example, he considered it fair that a person who earns $150,000 has 2½ times the income of somebody on $60,000 but pays almost four times the amount of tax.

''It's important that we maintain incentives for Australians to save for their retirement through super,'' he said.

''But I know that some have asked the [Henry] review whether aspects of the current taxation of superannuation contributions work against our progressive personal tax scale.''

More.........
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Re: Budget - Super Concessional contributions to be cut in Half

Postby LainieJean » Sat Nov 07, 2009 7:54 pm

He didn't ACTUALLY SAY they were considering this, he only pointed out that the current system was not entirely fair.

If you want to read the actual speech he made, the link is

http://www.treasurer.gov.au/DisplayDocs ... =&DocType=

Alternatively go to the treasurers website at

http://www.treasurer.gov.au

and click on speech number 030 on the lower right hand side.

They are not giving anything away at the moment.


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Re: Budget - Super Concessional contributions to be cut in Half

Postby LainieJean » Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:48 pm

Changing the super concessions so they are more uniform would actually be quite easy.

The ATO would add your concessional super back to your salary to calculate your tax, then give a 15% rebate for the contribution. Contributions would then not be taxed in the fund. Low income earners would get the 15% rebate as a tax refund if it exceeded their tax owing, so that would give them an incentive to contribute.

Easy to administer, and also more fair.

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Re: Budget - Super Concessional contributions to be cut in Half

Postby Judd » Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:39 am

Good points, LJ. Over a period of years I have come to expect change and this is simply just another one. What starting to irk me is the rapidity with which these changes are occurring before the previous changes are properly bedded down.

That and certain sleight of hand arrangements, such as when halving the concessional contributions, no account was taken that these amounts were to be increased to $55,000 this financial year due to indexation and, using the principle of fairness, the concessional amount should have been halved to $27,500 - not that I have $27.5k let alone $25k. But then, as in all things politics as opposed to good governance, fair depends on whether you hold power or not.
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Re: Budget - Super Concessional contributions to be cut in Half

Postby LainieJean » Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:49 am

Judd

I am not suggesting this would be a good change, only that it would be very easy to do and very obvious, therefore somewhat likely.

Yes I do agree with you that the changes are a real nuisance and sometimes seem quite pointless. You have to constantly be one step ahead which is difficult when super is a one way in, no way out process until you reach retirement age and even that is under threat of being upped to 67.

We have been constantly trying to find a balance between the generous tax concessions for deductible contributions and the loss of control and risk of adverse changes to the rules.

I personally don't think the generous current system is tenable in the long term, mainly because we have income streams tax free to the recipient combined with the tax free status of the earnings within allocated pensions. With refundable franking credits, allocated pensions actually take back tax paid by companies. Also some commentators have done their sums and found that the tax concessions on super actually cost more than just giving these people a non-means-tested govt pension would cost.

I think all these things point to changes coming. Halving of the contributions is the first step in that direction. I imagine there will be many more.

You can only make the most of current concessions while keeping in mind that whatever you choose to do may be affected by changes down the line and may turn out to be the wrong choice. Best to hedge your bets and put some into super and keep some out of super.

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Re: Budget - Super Concessional contributions to be cut in H

Postby benthonic » Wed Jun 30, 2010 4:30 pm

nothing like waiting till the last possible minute: -------------

Self-funded retirees to benefit from an extension in drawdown relief for account-based pensions

The Gillard Government will continue to support self-funded retirees by extending the drawdown relief currently provided for account-based superannuation pensions to the 2010-11 year.
Drawdown relief over the past two years has helped retirees with account based pensions by reducing the need to sell assets at a loss in order to meet the minimum payment requirement. Extending the drawdown relief for a further year will help retirees to recoup capital losses on their pension portfolios as equity markets recover over time.
Currently, it is a requirement that minimum payments be made from a superannuation account-based pension at least annually. Minimum payments are determined by age and the value of the account balance as at 1 July each year.

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Re: Budget - Super Concessional contributions to be cut in H

Postby Judd » Wed Jun 30, 2010 6:50 pm

It is commendable, albeit a touch tardy in the lateness of the timing of the announcement, of the Government.

However, I wonder whether it will assist in the longer term. Should one be fortunate enough to have $1M in superannuation, the discount drawdown equates to $20,000 pa inclusive of tax (if any.)

For smaller amounts in superannuation, the dollar amount of drawdown is obviously less.

Can couples actually meet their household bills as well as paying for petrol, groceries and the like? Do they have sufficient cash reserves in superannuation to cover the drawdown without selling assets? If not, that tends to defeat the purpose of the 50% discount.

I recognise that superannuation is designed to be consumed to its very last dollar but sometimes I get the feeling that various interested parties, including the financial media, tend to be banging away extolling the virtues of superannuation without getting down to informing the public that it is not what you have in retirement or the vehicle used but it is how much you have generating income which is of prime importance.

Heck, $1M outside of superannuation generating 4% fully franked provides $40,000. Franking would equate to $17,100. Gross Income $57,100. Tax on that amount would be about $10,500, so a tax refund of the excess franking credits would be about $6,500 if my rough calculations are correct. And that without selling any assets. If a person was happy with that kind of income arrangement, apart from the taxation concessions in superannuation, why would you bother with it if you can thereby avoid accounting , actuarial and financial fees.

I am not against superannuation. Far from it if it encourages and/or forces people to save. I am just a bit tired of all the media focus being on superannuation as if it is the only method of retirement saving. Can we declare all financial journals, personal investment columns and talking heads of the financial media, to be financial porn and have them banned with an R+ XXX rating. This forum would naturally be exempt.

Ah well, back to my cave to hibernate in preparation for the occasional foray utilising hit and run tactics.
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