Important announcement

Important announcement

Postby sharesguru » Fri May 14, 2004 2:50 pm

Due to a threat by one of our members, we have no choice but to put the forum offline for the Unforeseeable fututre.

On a very serious note, may I comment on the following.

Unfortunately for Sharesguru site administration, being the publisher, while not the author, does not offer protection from litigation against libellous material.
I refer to a particular contributor, Ducati 998, who persitently and consistently has made libellous statements over a number of months, particularly in relation to ASX listed company Ventracor, it's management, The Alfred Hospital and it's staff.

These statements have on numerous occassions been very specific and direct, while being completely unfounded or false, with the sole purpose intended being specifically to damage the reputation and integrity of Ventracor, it's listing on the ASX, and those associated with the company in the current trial being conducted at The Alfred Hospital in Melbourne.

You (the publisher) have published various material from other contributors who have often questioned the legitamacy of the author's statements and yet, unfortunately, you have continued displaying disregard of this being a clear warning sign by continuing to publish unedited, libellous statements from this author.
Many of the statements published have been not only false, baseless and meant for readers to misconstrue facts, but more accurately described as seriously derogatory, blatantly defamatory and libellous.

Aside from what action may be brought against the author by the above parties, as well as regulatory bodies, by continuing to accept and publish material from the author knowingly and unedited, that is evident to contain unfounded, false statements, derogatory and defamatory accusations towards innocent parties, and misleading comments in reference to innocent parties, you are most likely involving yourself in possible litigation brought forward by protective parties.
Being the publisher, while not author, does not bring immunity from possible future legal proceedings against yourselves. Whether these statements be published in a newspaper or website is of no relevance to the law, being substantially of purpose to cause damage to a party's reputation.

It is in the interest of every genuine participant that you not only attend to this matter but make it known to all participants.
You have allowed it to reach a stage where any legal proceedings will have not only abundant evidence to view but also definite grounds to prove negligence, established by way of inaction on the part of the publisher to curtail or prevent such activity originating from the particular author, from being published.

By your previous actions, you have succeeded in ceasing a vaguely similar practice between contributors to the site but you then failed to act to prevent the interests and reputations of outside parties from being damaged, and thereby establishing negligence on your part.

Use good judgement and realise this is free and timely advice, and if you prefer ,or choose to keep publishing material of that nature, I strongly urge you to gain suitable legal advice.
Deletion of this letter may further support evidence of negligence on your part as it is of benefit to all parties that you establish a duty of care by allowing the reading and understanding of this, as a clear warning.

May I also remind you that the target of these libellous statements are highly respected, professional medical staff and consultants, executives representing a public company, The Alfred Hospital, as well as the publicly listed company on the ASX itself, namely, Ventracor.
It is not difficult for any of these parties to establish that the material made public was not a one-off publication nor someone's personal view, but rather a persistent, continuous and demonstrative campaign aimed at damaging the reputation and integrity of Ventracor on the Australian Stock Exchange as well as those entities associated with Ventracor.
Please be aware that none of these entities, individually or collectively, would be lacking funds to pursue the maintenance of their integrity and reputations, and justifiably so.
I can safely advise that any defence prepared against action brought against yourselves, regardless whether successful or unsuccessful, will prove extremely costly.

As part of a possible remedial action in order to help avoid, prevent or stem possible litigation, I strongly suggest all material sourced from the author Ducati 998, or any other pen name from the same source, that is to be published, or has been published, be thoroughly edited and that any statements regarding any of the above parties thought to be false or unfounded, be deleted, or, be required to refer to a source and date, or to be expressed solely as being of the author's opinion. The latter, while distributing responsibility, may still not afford you immunity from possible litigation.

I understand this website operates solely because of the goodness and hard work of a few so I stress that further inaction on your part could likely bring this matter to a serious consequence. I see no reason why, afforded a duty of care, that this website cannot continue. Honest and genuine contribution from all participants is paramount and must be enforced.

I urge you to act cautiously and in a timely manner.


To highlight your position, may I point out the Oxford dictionary interpretation of some terms.

libel-
1. a published false statement that damages a person's reputation

2. the act of publishing it

3. a statement or anything that brings discredit on a person or thing

negligence-
lack of proper care or attention, carelessness.

publisher-
a person or firm that issues copies of a book or newspaper etc. to the public
unquote.

Perhaps you should seek some advice on what action to take here, and get in touch with RS.
I replaced post with " Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 1:48 pm Post subject: On a very serious note

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Postby rock steady » Fri May 14, 2004 3:32 pm

To sharesguru Administrators,

What I wrote to you was "advice" that you needed to act upon certain statements that were being published by yourselves without any scrutiny.
It was in your interest to consider what was said and to at least check on these statements that were the purpose of my letter.

In disbelief, you instead have chosen to address my letter as a threat, to which it was never intended, and therefore jeapordise the future of the sharesguru site and your own security by ignoring the purpose of the letter. That is your choice. I asked you to use good judgement.

There was nothing I wrote that was untrue or intended as threatening to you but rather a very serious and timely warning that you have let things go on too long and far beyond a joke.
I don't believe the comments made by the poster in question are likely to be taken lightly by those he has libelled.

What a dissappointing retaliation to someone who was offering you advice by way of a warning that you could find yourself in trouble you never dreamt of by continually publishing in that fashion. Your position unfortunately carries responsibilities that the law will view in a different light from any one else reading this site and it was necessary to point that out to you as numerous comments from various posters highlighting the problem were ignored.

I am sorry you have taken this avenue in blaming the messenger.
It was never intended as a threat and some sort of solution was offered to help resolve the matter. The letter was detailed to make sure you understood the risks you were taking by publishing that material.
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Postby Judd » Fri May 14, 2004 3:36 pm

Thank you for your past efforts Shareguru.
Regards
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Postby william » Fri May 14, 2004 3:52 pm

Rock steady, it is obvious you have a vested interest in this company by way of shares or some other financial interest.

How else could one take that letter, it is a thinly vieled threat imho.

It was a well written letter until you did not even sign it with your real name instead signing it as "Rock Steady" your alias that you may hide behind and throw stones when things do not go your way...

Personally i would block his account, Make all new accounts admin verification only and continue on how we have been... in perfect bliss.

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Postby Reader » Fri May 14, 2004 3:58 pm

There has to be a solution as this forum is to valuable to die.

Cheers
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Postby South » Fri May 14, 2004 4:03 pm

I am not lawyer, but how can they definite that a Web is a Publisher? Where are the rights of normal people’s speech? Does a Web Adm. have responsibility for what a member’s saying?

Has any Web Adm. been prosecuted for a member’s saying anything wrong?
Why Pauling Hanson can say anything she want to, and we can’t!

Seriously, better to proof a person is a liar before you said he is a liar.

Web is not a Publisher!

This is a basic human rights issue.
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Postby G » Fri May 14, 2004 4:24 pm

When one plays POKER and has unlimited funds, it is impossible to win even if it is bluff only.

High court charges can be as high as $60,000 a day or more, who can afford even to think about sticking nose “outside the squareâ€
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Postby new2waix » Fri May 14, 2004 4:26 pm

For further information on 'internet investment forums liability' check out the ASIC website at http://www.asic.gov.au

You may find it a better resource than the Oxford dictionary.

There are ways for the SG forum to reduce and eliminate their exposure to possible litigation. I certainly hope they investigate these avenues before shutting this fantastic resource down.

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Postby fueco » Fri May 14, 2004 4:34 pm

What a sorry state to find on a Friday afternoon.

Unfortunately I believe the site will be deemed to be 'publisher', especially considering they have control of user access to this site and they are the entity actually 'publishing' the site. Case law is scant with regards to defamation in the online environment, but for those interested, the Gutnick case is always metioned when discussing defamation and the online environment; interestingly, a Melbourne case.

However, the jurisdiction interests me - whereabouts is the sharesguru site hosted? This is worth considering.

I do believe the user Rock Steady does have a valid point and there are legal implications for those concerned.

Perhaps, and this is only a suggestion, as an interim measure could the Sharesguru administrators please make available sections of this site which do not refer to individual companies? i.e. the Reference section, and other like sections? This will allow me, and possibly others, the time to capture what exceedingly valuable information is contained within these sections; from people like Mutt, Kan_Guru, MM, Fily, Pedro-Egoli et al. I know that I suffered withdrawl symptons when the old Egoli forum was taken off the air.

I would also take up the offer of RS of seeking advice from him, as he seems to have some knowledge of the area.

Cheers, fuec. waiting and hoping.
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Postby Gemma » Fri May 14, 2004 5:05 pm

Look at Hot Copper and every second post is questionable in so far as "defamation" goes. That site still survives despite death threats etc by posters. From the look of it there is no moderator controlling HC.
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Postby sorgman » Fri May 14, 2004 5:42 pm

I hope I'm not out of line here, but Lainie Jean once offered her web site as a cantact point in case the worst happens. I put it in my favourites ages ago.

http://www.lainie.com.au

All the best everyone.

Not so Cheerie Sorgman.
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Postby mercs » Fri May 14, 2004 5:54 pm

If need be, I could donate some space and bandwidth and have a forum running in about 24 hours.

What are your thoughts?

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