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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby JIT3131 » Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:34 am

Sorry, you're right, ignore my previous post!
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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby benthonic » Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:02 am

AFI list the Convertible Note today - code AFIG - pays a 6.25% coupon for 5 years

Ross Barker put his hand up for some ($25K) as did Bruce Teele, who happened to have $200K lying around

10:10am update - on market - trading @ $102, with Buyers lining up but few sellers.
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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby Judd » Thu Jan 05, 2012 6:04 pm

Judd wrote:He, he, he. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't. And still they make some money. Very interesting comment on the assessed value of SOL.

AFIC return stymied by sharp share rise
Ian McIlwraith
October 11, 2011

That bastion of conservative investing, Australian Foundation Investment Company, has been caught out on what ought to have been a profitable little $5 million play in Washington H. Soul Pattinson. Not that AFIC is likely to lose any money on the deal, it is just not going to realise what Insider calculates to have been a 15 per cent short-term return because of the sharp rise in Soul Pattinson's shares in recent weeks.

AFIC revealed late last week it had bought 30.66 million shares, or 5.2 per cent, of Souls Private Equity (SPE) - most of it in two large purchases from Perpetual and Select Asset Management. While the $5 million investment is a drop in AFIC's $4 billion ocean, it showed interesting strategic thinking.

Perpetual has been tipping out shares in SPE since its parent, Washington H. Soul, announced in September it wanted to privatise the company, due to what appeared to be a lack of market interest.
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Perpetual was no doubt driven by the fact that SPE shares were 7¢ before Soul Pattinson said it would spend some $85 million to buy everyone else out at 16.3¢ a share.

The funds manager has also been a critic of Soul Patts' corporate structure for its cross shareholdings that investors feel have been depressing the share price.

Soul Patts' offer for SPE also includes a share-swap option, based on the volume-weighted average price (VWAP) of its shares over the past two weeks.

The chief executive of AFIC, Ross Barker, who was in Sydney yesterday meeting shareholders, confirmed his group had been looking to swap its SPE shares for Soul Patts because the latter had been discounted in the market.

Unfortunately for Barker and AFIC, Soul Pattinson shares have leapt by almost $2 in just over a week after news that its 60 per cent-owned coal associate, New Hope Corp, had opened itself to offers after receiving unsolicited and unofficial bids.

That means the VWAP of Soul Pattinson shares, on Insider's calculations, has jumped from around $12.08 when the SPE bid was announced in mid-September, to $13.82 as of yesterday. If that is the case and the SPE takeover scheme goes ahead, AFIC could expect to get about 50,000 fewer shares in Soul Pattinson than previously expected - worth about $700,000.

The good news is that Soul Patts' market value of $3.3 billion is only the same as the value of its 60 per cent New Hope stake, based on yesterday's $6.24 close of the coal company. That means the market is valuing all its other assets at zero.

While there will undoubtedly be a tax bill for Soul Patts if it cashes in, given that New Hope directors are looking for a price north of $7 a share, that suggests there is still some upside in the share price.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/afic-ret ... z1aPYgTxGP


By my calcs, assuming the sale was for cash, AFI made - wait for it, wait for it; just short of $240,000 on the deal. However, to be fair, while the percentage gain was a mere 5.04%, the effective annualised return (ie return on investment) was a more healthy 20.6% (from http://www.pine-grove.com/online-calcul ... ulator.htm)

Now, back to strumming slightly loudly and p&ssing off the neighbours - not really, as I use headphones.
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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby robert garden » Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:57 am

Judd ...Ben.....badly need some more franked Divs before this Tax year .......have AFI and ARG but could add again...any preference...thanks guy s
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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby benthonic » Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:36 am

RG - best "bang for your <ff> buck" would be from DJW or WHF - as they have the highest yield at around 7.5%... or TLS or Bank shares. Most LIC dividends will be lower in second half ( for eg - MIR just reported div is 3.5c vs 6.5c last Aug..... but I think ARG, MLT pay about the same, each half.

from my post of 08 Sept 2011: the historic detail is right but price and yield obviously based on SP on the day and hence is wrong but not too far off. U should be able to wok it out

AFI – dividends of 13c and 8c (August NTA $4.38)
S/P now $4.05
Price target = $4.20, for Yield of 5%
Price target = $3.50, for Yield of 6%

ARG – dividends of 13c and 13c (August NTA $5.57)
S/P now $5.09
Price target = $5.20, for Yield of 5%
Price target = $4.33, for Yield of 6%

MLT – dividends of 39c and 37c (August NTA $16.04 less 44c ex-dividend = $15.60)
S/P now $13.80
Price target = $15.20, for Yield of 5%
Price target = $12.67, for Yield of 6%

AUI – dividends of 14.5c and 12c (August NTA $ )
S/P now $5.58
Price target = $5.30 for Yield of 5%
Price target = $4.42 for Yield @ 6%,

WHF – dividends of 8.5c and 8.5c (August NTA $ )
S/P now $2.54
Price target = $3.40 for Yield of 5%
Price target = $2.83 for Yield of 6%
Price target = $2.43 for Yield of 7%,

MIR – dividends of 6.5c and 3.5c (August NTA $1.79)
S/P now $1.65
Price target = $2.00, for Yield @ 5%,
Price target = $1.67, for Yield of 6%
Price target = $1.43 for Yield of 7%,

DJW – (August NTA $3.20) dividends of 16c and 10c
S/P now $3.45
Price target = $3.71, for Yield of 7%,
Price target = $3.25, for Yield of 8%,
(Because it has a policy of yield enhancement through covered calls, DJW gives up some share price growth in good markets)


assuming the question implies - U have a certain amount of money to invest, looking for max franking to increase refund/ lower tax bill/ manage cash flow for this FY tax return - clearly you want the highest yield from now till Jun 30th. Another avenue could be FF Hybrids which pay about 8% - they pay 4 x a year and thus could pick up 2 payments . examples would be ANZPA, ANZPB, WBCPB, WBCPA, CBAPA or some other SUN, Bendigo, BoQ ones, or even WOWHC.

Not advice,...
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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby robert garden » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:01 am

Thanks again Ben ...will look over all suggestions ...cheers
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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby Judd » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:04 am

I was looking at some more BKI. At $1.165 it is on sale below its Nov 11 NTA of $1.38 - but that obviously will change for December. Stripping out the special div and everything else being equal, paying 3c+3c ff for a yield of 5.2%. Should report at end of January.
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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby robert garden » Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:27 am

gee Ben u alerted someone plus others to DJW 8)
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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby gregh1 » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:57 pm

Ben if you are looking for franking credits you could look at AOD.Part of their income isderived from dividend stripping,legally of course.They are thinly traded but seem to be 'collared', the effect of which is to prevent wild swings in times of volatility.They pay dividends quarterly,sometimes unfranked sometimes franked to greater than 100%.Currently they have about 1.5 cents in credits.They are trading a couple of cents above their NTA.
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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby Judd » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:09 am

As expected DJW reported today. And, as expected, the interim dividend remains at 10c ff. Also, as expected, the Net Operating Profit was down (18.2%). Still cautious about outlook but fully invested, despite a spare $44m of cash in the kitty.

Grateful for the $$ of divvies.

I was surprised last weekend when, out of curiosity, I went back over some of the earlier purchases of various share tranches. In a number of cases, I am now receiving more in dividends than the original cost of the purchases. Trivia, I know, but I am starting to view (or possibly have my view confirmed) share prices as a non-event except as an entry point to access future income streams. I suppose that is one of the factors why I consider superannuation to be such an odd beast.

gregh1, thanks for the reference. I may, just may as I am one very conservative person, consider AOD.
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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby gregh1 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:27 pm

jUDD,this is a strange stock.They like to dispense their franking credits unevenly over the year..some dividends carry 0 franking others up to 250%.Why I am interested is they are due for another release of franking credits.
In market depth there is always a barrier of around 100,000 buy and sell orders straddling the last price.Probably the same person in both positions
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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby benthonic » Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:51 am

MILTON INCREASES HALF YEAR PROFIT AND LIFTS INTERIM DIVIDEND

With additional shares on issue following the merger with Choiseul, Milton’s weighted average earnings per share, based on the underlying operating profit, grew by 6.5% to 44.4cents per share.

This enabled directors to declare an increased fully franked interim dividend of 38 cents per share. The interim dividend will be paid on 29 February 2012 to shareholders on the register on 15 February 2012.

“Milton’s larger investments performed well during the half with increases in ordinary dividends from Westpac, Commonwealth Bank of Australia, Washington H Soul Pattinson, BHP Billiton, National Australia Bank, Campbell Bothers and Bank of Queensland,” Mr Gooch said. “I think this result demonstrates the benefit of Milton’s long held investment philosophy which is to be a long term owner of well managed companies that reward shareholders with dividends,” he added.

probably the 'cheapest' of the larger LICs, as per discount to NTA
Milton’s MER at 31 December 2011 was 0.16%pa.
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