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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby Judd » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:37 pm

Well, at least if everything is actually going to Hell in a hand basket, there will be some cash for the small lifeboat.

AFI is supposed to report tomorrow so that could be interesting. Heading off for a bit of R&R tomorrow morning, so I will find out about that on my return.
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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby benthonic » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:40 am

enjoy your petites vacances Judd, with the knowledge LICs are performing as expected, delivering a (relatively) predictable fully franked income stream and investing for the long term. For the six months to 31 December 2011, as measured by the S&P/ASX 200 Accumulation Index, the market was down 9.7% while the return from AFIC’s portfolio over the same period was down 7.8%.
AFI reported today
• Revenue from operating activities (excluding capital gains) was $126.8 million, 3.7% up from the previous corresponding period.
• Profit after tax attributable to members was $113.6 million (down 7.0% on last year’s $122.1 million). This figure includes unrealised gains on certain investments in the investment portfolio that are defined as ‘puttable instruments’ or non-equity investments.
• Net Operating Result after tax was $105.5 million, 8.6% down from the previous corresponding period.
• The interim dividend is 8 cents per share, fully franked, the same as last year’s interim dividend. It will be paid on 24 Feb 2012 to ordinary shareholders on the register on 9 Feb 2012 and the shares are expected to commence trading on an ex-dividend basis on 3 Feb 2012.

A number of changes were made to AFI's portfolio during the half. The largest acquisitions were in Ansell, ANZ, BHP Billiton to replace the stock sold into the off market buy back last financial year, Woodside Petroleum, National Australia Bank, InvoCare and Telstra Corporation. Ansell is a new company to the portfolio. The Company disposed of its holdings in Foster’s Group and Eastern Star Gas as a result of takeovers. It also sold its entire holdings in Commonwealth Property Office Fund, APN News & Media and Fairfax Media.

In our view there is likely to be further uncertainty in the coming months as the political and economic events continue to play out in Europe. The Australian economy continues to benefit from investment in mining and energy projects although the remainder of the domestic economy is wrestling with the impact of a strong Australian dollar, relatively high interest rates, hesitant consumers, rising input costs and unemployment.

Recently AFIC successfully completed an issue of unsecured convertible notes which raised over $220 million. This provides AFIC with funds to add to its investments when the market provides opportunities to buy quality companies at what we see as historically low valuations. The first interest payment on the 6.25% Convertible Notes issued in Dec 2011 will be $1.2158 per $100 Note, payable on 28 Feb 2012.
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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby robert garden » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:37 pm

Good update guys ......who do you rate highest / best ....AFI ...or ...ARG?
Thanks .... :?:
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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby jonasson » Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:28 pm

Hello Robert, can't post the whole report, but got some BKI (for the first time) on Monday.

This is a short excerpt: We look at the major factors that influence the
discount that Listed Investment Companies
trade to their underlying portfolio.
 Fees, taxes and liquidity all play a large part in
explaining the discount; we calculate the
discount in a worst-case scenario and find
value opportunities.
 Based on our analysis, there is a moderate
relationship between strong management
performance and discount to NTA.
 Our quantitative model has moved Overweight
on BKI and Equal-weight on MIR.

Hope this helps
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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby austini » Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:57 am

AFIC plans spending spree - Eric Johnston
January 26, 2012

AUSTRALIA'S most influential listed investment fund is preparing for a $220 million sharemarket spending spree to take advantage of beaten-down stock prices.

Australian Foundation Investment Company, which has more than $4.3 billion under management and counts sharemarket doyen Bruce Teele as chairman, believes that with stocks trading at a deep discount after nearly two years of losses, it is almost time to start buying.

The Australian sharemarket has made a strong start to the year, gaining more than 5 per cent even as economic troubles in Europe continue to weigh on global sentiment.

AFIC managing director Ross Barker said retail investors were still holding back from equity markets because they were ''shell-shocked'' by the steep losses since last April.

''We're cautious about the short-term situation, but we're really a long-term investor,'' he said.

''Our approach is to take advantage of the negative market sentiment to pick up some things for the medium to long term which we think will be good for the portfolio in that time frame.''

AFIC, Australia's largest listed fund manager, was last month rushed by investors for a $223 million convertible note raising. The notes trade on the Australian Securities Exchange and are similar to debt instruments in making an annual payout.

AFIC yesterday reported a 7 per cent drop in first-half profit to $113.6 million. While it generates most of its income from dividends in the shares it holds, most of the drop in earnings came from a fall in the market value of the fund's investment portfolio.

AFIC declared an interim dividend of 8¢ a share, fully franked, flat on the same time last year.

AFIC's mostly blue-chip portfolio fell 7.8 per cent in the half-year, compared with a 9.7 per cent fall in the S&P/ASX 200 Index.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/afic-pla ... z1kVPaHB5C
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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby robert garden » Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:51 pm

Thanks guys ...both may sense ..action tomorrow 8)
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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby benthonic » Fri Jan 27, 2012 2:16 pm

Platinum Capital PMC - the LIC that is similar to Platinum International managed fund - has had a shocker of a year. Calendar Year perfromance was -13.4%, while the MSCI was down 7.4%. Note it is an "Index Unaware" fund. As a stockpicker, the latest report is a bit of a mea culpa and quite a bit of a fudge, as the the managers try to sell the case they didn't get into dud stocks , just got the timing wrong (and then some).

It has not declared an interim dividend as there is no money in the kitty, nor franking credits, to do so.

PMC is trading below its NTA of $1.03c per share as of 21 Dec.; current SP is around 95c. This is in marked contrast to the premium to NTA that it enjoyed up until Aug 2011, at which time the previous update and Annual report was out and holders tended to dump en masse. Being a fund with no currency hedging hasn't helped as the AUD maintained strength in 2011, though this isn't that significant an effect on returns (it could be beneficial if the AUD drops).

<<still holding and topped up some @ 95c in Nov>>
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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby Judd » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:06 am

benthonic wrote:enjoy your petites vacances

I did. Short and wet but enjoyable nonetheless.

benthonic wrote:Platinum Capital PMC


Always an issue when taking a position on international investments. Do you stay on your home turf or take a (small) punt overseas; hedged or unhedged; region specific or broad; sector specific or general. All too vague for me. Outscourcing has its merits for investors and as I don't know what will happen later this morning let alone this Friday or beyond, I'll take the risk with PMC and TGG. No point in sweating about it.
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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby Judd » Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:31 pm

BKI reported today. 3.2c ff dividend payable (6.1% yield, 8.7% gross.) Operating profit (before specials) up 10.5%. MER is 0.18%. Cash on hand around $33m. Outlook mixed but cautious.
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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby jonasson » Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:13 pm

What is behind the largish investment by BKI in NHC?
OK: Wash Sol Patt previously ran the fund, and is BKI's largest shareholder.

NHC is a subsidiary of that prev manager , WSP.

Is NHC still an appropriate investment, and what is the return?

Is there a commitment to hold NHC?
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Re: Listed Investment Companies

Postby Judd » Tue Feb 07, 2012 1:47 pm

ARG reported yesterday. Usual stuff. Cautious, concerned, etc, etc. Dividend steady at 13c ff.

Noticed this little gem while skimming through the headlines. A different slant could be shoring up takeover provisions should a raider, aka a bloody pirate, appear on the horizon.

Investment crossholdings a Tax Office nightmare
Ian McIlwraith
February 7, 2012

Australia's listed investment groups, presiding over a pool of $16 billion of other people's money, now have almost $800 million invested in one another. [Like 5% is a worry? Must be a slow news day - Judd]

When your existence is all about chasing yield, it is probably inevitable that you buy shares in like-minded companies (or the ''diversified financials'' sector as they are classed by index-hugging investors) - but it is looking decidedly ''clubby''.

For Insider, it has the feel of one of M.C.Escher's famous artworks: Australian Foundation Investment Co has $30 million in Diversified United Investment Corp, which owns $12 million in Washington H. Soul Pattinson, which owns $106 million of Milton Corp, which has $1 million in Argo Investments, which has $112 million in Australian United Investment Co … you get the picture.
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And just think what it must be like at dividend payment time as the order is reversed - AUI sends a cheque to Argo, which sends one to Milton, which sends one to Soul Patts etc. Best of luck to Michael D'Ascenzo and the Tax Office team trying to work out who paid the tax on all those franked dividends flying around.

Argo Investments, which reported its half-year results yesterday, is (sort of) the odd one out because it has no real stablemates.

It makes up for that by having more than $280 million of its near $4 billion portfolio parked in like-minded groups. Its largest stake is in Milton Cor, where it has $130 million of stock, followed by the AUI stake. Those two stakes are among Argo's 10 largest equities holdings. It also has more than $30 million in DUI.

By way of comparison, it has a minuscule holding in fellow Adelaide company Santos, which although valued by the market at $13 billion, commands just $55 million of Argo's money, or 1.6 per cent of the total portfolio.

Strangely, though, none of the other investment companies seem to return the favour. Argo's biggest shareholder has less than 1 per cent of issued capital, three out of five of its biggest investors are related to the deputy chairman and one-time stock-picking executive director, Robert Rich.

Milton is itself a member of a very tight circle of companies run by Sydney's Millner family. Robert Millner last year enjoyed some unwelcome publicity as institutional shareholders in members of his group, that apart from Milton includes Washington H. Soul Pattinson and Brickworks, tried to force a break-up of the interlinked shareholdings to crystallise gains.

There is no denying that the Millner-run companies have been tidy performers over the years; it is just that fund managers (themselves under pressure to justify their fees in shabby equities markets) reckon there is considerable value that can be unlocked.

The other two big investment groups, both of which grew out of two of Melbourne's most conservative stockbroking firms - JB Were and Potter Partners - also have healthy stakes in other members of their families.

With DUI and AUI, which grew out of the late Sir Ian Potter's cash accumulating skills (and retains many a Potter relative on its register), the former has $30 million of its stock owned by the latter.

The once-were warriors of investment Australian Foundation owns about $32 million of the spin-out Djerriwarrh Investments and another $16 million in Mirrabooka. Djerriwarrh also has $8.6 million in Mirrabooka.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/business/inves ... z1lfE4Cjfg
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