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Re: Myer

Postby Disco Stu » Fri Jul 15, 2011 1:23 am

Mmm... the wild speculator in me would like to agree with you Muhaha, but my battered wallet tends to agree with Benthonic on this one - "Beware". Time might come to dip the toe in respect to retailers, but in this environment I remain hesitant of Co's with excessive leverage - debt issues are going to remain with us for some time. I'd probably take the perceived 'quality' of DJ's or the lean margins but high turnover of JB if I was forced into a retail position, before considering this one.
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Re: Myer

Postby muhaha » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:13 am

wise words Benthonic , Disco . I tend to be trigger happy and in a lot of cases make a lot early entries in stocks which have further downside. I must have got carried away with the Charlie Aitkins (bell potter) BUY call on MYR (target 2.91), that did manage to carry the stock price from 2.50 to about 2.67 in 3 days. :shock:

Anyways did take a bite yesterday but a smallish one. Average down later.
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Re: Myer

Postby hybridbloke » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:27 am

almost to the stage now where a stock like wpg western plains that announced a growth path for production and profits today seems to have all the same china risk as myer, but none of the discretionary risk. buying aussie discretionary retail nowdays seems like speculating on china growth,failure of internet shopping and continuation of the non productive bubble of liquidity. buying iron ore is just iron ore risk. [just trying to justify an unbalanced portfolio by saying that the rrisk reward of resource speculation outweighs retail speculation,and when the two come back into balance,i can reweigh then]
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Re: Myer

Postby Judd » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:38 pm

It may be true or it may be pure speculation but I did read that, apart from internet purchases, one of the reasons for poor sales is that the AU is high and so people are traveling and doing their buying overseas during their holiday.

Or it could be that they a shite scared about the future, so paying down debt. In my case, it is simply that I have what I need and see no reason to buy just for the sake of buying. In any case, Target is up-market for me as most of my stuff I get from op-shops so why would I go to Myer or DJs?
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Re: Myer

Postby benthonic » Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:37 am

reason to buy just for the sake of buying

Confidence is a curious beast; and the excessive availability of credit in years just past has allowed those who wanted to consume (or acquire STUFF) to bring forward their purchases. 4 years Interest free,, Will that be Savings Cheque or Credit, sir? Hurry while offer lasts. The whole pattern of consumption has been skewed, with demand brought forward (but not really increased)

And now those 'facilities' are less on offer there is also this absence of consumers, (why is the dog not barking, Holmes?). All of this has evaporated, and the debt binge is being faced in households across the nation. Confidence has shrunk, but it is a crude measure, I would think.

Plus if something can be 60% off, hurry hurry hurry, I would be a mug to go there and pay full price any other time!
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Re: Myer

Postby benthonic » Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:16 am

Michael West stirring it up a bit:

Let's look at .... Myer: Last year, Myer notched up sales of $3.284 billion. Its gross profit for the year came in at $1.301 billion, for a gross profit margin of 39.6per cent. Earnings before interest and tax (EBIT) were $271 million, or 21per cent of gross profit.

As almost everything that lies between gross profit and EBIT is fixed costs we can assume, if sales were to fall by 21per cent, there would be no EBIT left.

Sales are falling. For the first half, they were down 3.6per cent on the previous corresponding period. And, by the third quarter sales update in May, it was evident the soft trend had persisted, with sales on a like-for-like basis tracking 3.1per cent lower.

The point of this is that Bernie Brookes and his team at Myer have already done a sterling job stripping the costs out of this business. They've sold the buildings and leased them back. They've snipped the staff costs to a bare minimum.

Short of actually lugging the entire inventory out of the leased properties and creating an echo chamber - a dance party venue perhaps - there is not a lot more cost to come out. So, the future of Myer relies on rising sales.

The concern over sales holds for every retailer. For its part, David Jones, has just forecast that its fourth quarter sales would fall 11per cent. That's a fair leg down. Is it really just cyclical? Or are we talking the internet here, the great unspoken?

Extrapolating further on Myer, there's $420 million-odd in debt, which they have just started to pay down. Let's say $400 million at 7per cent interest and there is $28 million in interest cost a year.

Now, this perspective is a rather alarmist way of looking at things - and, it must be said, at odds with mainstream forecasting. Take for instance the venerable numbers of Goldman Sachs. Goldman should know a lot more than others, as it was intimately involved in the float and is therefore close to the business. Looking then at a Goldman report on Myer from March this year, the broker said total sales growth rates had improved since January but "remain negative". "Importantly, we do NOT believe that recent weakness in sales or earnings represent a structural change in Myer's operations or industry positioning." The report was emphatic. Nothing structural. It was all cyclical downturn stuff.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/myer-cau ... z1SgbnpV1t

Meantime, Disco and Mu, your instincts about bottoming out of the price fall were close to the LOWS as it got to $2.34 Mon and $2.33 Tues, and has rallied back to mid $2.40's
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Re: Myer

Postby muhaha » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:55 am

not holding my breath Ben, difficult to call bottom yet, my reason for a buy call was overly simplistic , based on yield (even after earnings down grade of 5% +) extremely negative sentiment towards sector, increase in savings rate, AUD at its highest (internet sales) . Right now every man and his dog are saying that it is game over for the retail sector. Just like every man and his dog are calling for gold price to keep going up.

well here comes a crazy egg on my face comment, - " Gold price will come off over the next few weeks months, we may even go back to $1100 before the next leg up" i have reduced my gold stock holdings , must be Codral influencing my decisions :shock:

i guess let me rephrase - gone from being overweight in gold to being neutral
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Re: Myer

Postby benthonic » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:50 am

I was interested to note that one of the reasons given in the local press, as Myer will close Tuggeranong, one of its 3 Canberra stores, was that

"MyerCard usage showed that local holders were also shopping at the other two stores (as well as the to-be-closed one)"

and they are shrinking existing stores/ changing the retail mix

http://www.smh.com.au/business/myer-to- ... 1p0q4.html
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