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The next wave of this crisis

Postby benthonic » Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:43 pm

At last, a topic worthy of my 2000th posting (millstone not milestone)

Don't mention the debt - Michael West
February 19, 2009 - 3:20PM
http://business.theage.com.au/business/ ... ml?page=-1

Our overseas borrowing is the great unspoken. It is the one subject assiduously avoided in public by Kevin Rudd, Malcolm Turnbull, Ken Henry, APRA, the Reserve Bank and the big banks. They probably even gloss over the matter when chatting privately among themselves.

It is Australia's Ponzi scheme. Bernie Madoff goes to Bondi. We keep getting those foreign dollars in while sending plenty out, but never quite as much, hoping no one will blow the whistle lest the whole game end.

Our economy, like the US, UK and many in the developed world, is a chronic current account deficit nation, splashing year-in year-out on the national credit card and hoping the global bank keeps increasing the limit.

What is the limit? We don't know that, yet. Yet surely it must be tested one day.

And in light of the recent developments in the US and particularly in Austria and Eastern Europe, that day may arrive sooner rather than later. It is as close as a foreign lender or two saying, no thanks, we've got enough of that, can't take any more.

Let's put the Federal Government's stimulus package in perspective. Kevin Rudd reckons $42 billion will stimulate the economy through the hard months ahead, which it will to a point.

Crying Whitlam and Khemlani, Malcolm Turnbull reckons the package is simply more dollars borrowed from tomorrow to fund us today, which it is. It could be better spent.

Some will dissipate in dingy pokie parlours and in a frenzy of pink batts which, once domestic capacity is reached and the foreign pink batt players have sorted every house in the country, will leave a couple of barren pink batt factories.

To get to the point, fiscal stimulus is better than nothing. It will have some effect. Still, as a vision for the economic future it is akin to staring wistfully at the kitten in the room while ignoring the rogue elephant glowering behind it.

Looking at the numbers, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics we have about 21,374,000 or so people living in this country. Our combined national debt (taking all government, personal, private and business debt into account) is $2.32 trillion ($3.4 trillion including equity) as of September last year - and growing. A falling Aussie dollar makes it more expensive to repay, or roll over.

Each and every Australian then, including babies, accounts for foreign borrowings of nearly $110,500 dollars. If we use the same method to calculate what the cost of Prime Minster Rudd's ``stimulus package'' is to the nation, we end up with a cost of nearly $2,000 per head.

To put it another way, says macroeconomic consultant Mark Beavan, Kevin's rescue package is increasing the nation's net debt by little more than 1%.

''Malcolm might happily forget that while his former government colleagues were steering the good ship Australia, the nation's total debt soared from a mere $700 billion in 1997 up to $3.2 trillion by the close of their term. An increase of 387%''.

Deregulation brought growth alright. But there is a yin for every yang. The Opposition may well brag that it left office with zero debt - zero government debt that is - as the upshot of policy was to lump it onto the consumer.

That is something the nation has to live with for a long time. In the meantime, it will do the sovereign credit rating no favours.

''In the fluid deregulated markets, the government (past and present) didn't think for a second about regulating the extent and rate at which the nation got itself into debt,'' says Beavan.

''It is too hooked on the drug of national economic growth for economic growth's own sake and refuses to allow the dream of many Australians (who still believe that housing prices can only go up) to be punctured along with our economy''.

Beavan believes that if all that debt were stripped away, irrespective of land shortages, property prices would be half to two-thirds of what they are today. ''If homebuyers don't have money on loan from the banks, then they could not afford to pay the higher housing price - so the price would have to fall or the market would stagnate''.

''Why did we not index the rate of debt growth (15% per annum compounding for the last 12 years straight) to that of the country's economic growth (less than 3% when the debt is stripped out)? Surely a lending system predicated on genuine national economic growth would be a far more practical solution?''

If governments had constrained debt growth, bank profits could not have kept growing at 15% a year. Or executive salaries at 30% for that matter. (Not to mention state stamp duty revenues.)

It is no coincidence that the banks' profit numbers match the growth in national debt.

As the banks have racked up their record profits they have come at a price, but that price is yet to be crystalised. Anecdotal evidence suggests loan-to-valuation ratios of 90% are still on offer so the banks are keen to keep the residential mortgage-growth dream alive.

Against the backdrop of consumer debt at 174% of GDP (down slightly from its record high of 176.9% last May) is the spectre of banks not being about to roll their wholesale funding offshore.

On the ABS numbers for September (the December lot will be interesting), there is $654 billion of net debt owed to overseas parties - banks and others who have problems of their own.

The December quarter numbers will show a sharp increase over September. In little over two months the Aussie banks have run wild with the government guarantee on wholesale funding, raising some $50 billion - or half of their estimated $120 billion in wholesale funding needs for the year.

The average size of borrowings is up threefold and the rush is widely put down to the view that there is a fair risk of global credit markets icing over once more. Better soon than never is the gameplan.

The pricing of the issues has improved since the guarantee was brought in and overall the demand for Australian bank paper is a vote of confidence in the banks and the system. Indeed, racked up against the sorry state of most western banks, our banks are killing it.

A report from Boston Consulting group released last night estimated the global financial crisis has wiped some $US5.5 trillion from the market value of the world's banks, equivalent to 10% of global GDP.

The banking industry's market value fell $US4 trillion by the end of 2008, and shed a further $700 billion in the first three weeks of this year.

While US banks drop like flies and UK banks lapse into the hands of government, they are still producing loan growth before bad loan write-downs, and profits of $4 billion-plus per year.

Look no further than Westpac's $1.2 billion in cash earnings for the December quarter delivered yesterday. Revenue growth remained strong. Westpac, along with the rest of the Big Four are still pumping out the loans. Chief Gail Kelly conceded consumer delinquencies were on the rise, but the quantum is yet immaterial.

Thanks to the other government guarantee, the deposit guarantee, the banks have prevailed at the expense of non-bank institutions following a flight to safety last year. Bulking up their deposit-bases has also protected them, delivering far greater domestic funding.

Still, the worst is to come. The level of unemployment will largely determine the degree of mortgage defaults. Meanwhile, the great unspoken, the national debt, will continue to remain unspoken.

The monthly RBA bulletin was released today. A couple of countervailing trends: outstanding balances on credit cards were up from $44.7 billion to $45.2 billion, while growth in personal loans is down.

According to Professor Steve Keen, who keeps a close watch on Australia's debt situation (and is particularly bearish on the economy) these figures are evidence of people being cautious on taking on new debt but sufficiently hard-up they are not paying down their credit cards.

When it comes to indebtedness, on Keen's numbers Australia ranks third behind the UK (with household debt to GDP at an astounding 240%) and the US (180%). Australia's ratio has come back to 174.2% now. It is still way too high.

And it should be borne in mind asset values have been declining, so debt to equity ratios are going through the roof.

All this makes for a monumental challenge for the Government and the big banks.

Both have managed the crisis reasonably well until now but the cycle is likely to deteriorate from here and the big unknown is the potential for a foreign debt crunch.

mwest@fairfax.com.au

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that is the opener.

(((PS <A resolution for 2001> Still don't know how to post apart from cut 'n' paste - what is the technique to have it in the 'box'? )))

Then we move on to the real story, the title of this "The Next Wave of this Crisis" the third phase
(yes there is a fourth. 1.GFC, 2. GEC, 3.EBC, 4.GEmC and possibly 5. SDC)

European Banking Crisis

Whereas the Americans, always the innovators (they brought you this; first in, first out) are taking the necessary steps and look like they will bring "Destructive Destruction" to a head, or more correctly have it brought upon them, our mates the Europeans with their funny conventions (the EU, the euro, WWI, WW II)( - & including the permanent one called Brussels; talk about a gabfest) are sitting on the timebomb and look unlikely to avoid it going off. It is their own housing crisis (dirty), Eastern Europe debt (very nasty) and Russian debt (downright dangerous). Mr Trichet lives up to his name and sits and knits while heads are lopped off. ECB won't drop rates fast enough, a curious update on Gallic pride. the PIGS (Portugal Italy Greece and Spain) looking very wobbly. Austrian banks have lent so much to the east, and the Germans say they won't bail them out ("its your problem"), 70% of Polish home loans are in Swiss Francs and the zloty has devalued 50% against the CHF, etc; the list goes on. Enough to sink the place. But Russia, what if Putin tells the indebted banks to play "brinkmanship for me" and defaults. Can you imagine European banks doing what?

And where does that leave Australia, as an endebted nation?
The first rule of survival is to bully someone else, so the lenders will pull their loans in. What Michael West fears may come to pass; and KRudd is no Jack Lang.

4. Global Employment Crisis

you ain't seen nothing yet

5. Social Disruption Crisis

ditto.

Look again at that number quoted from above.
Australia - $3.2 trillion DEBT
Australia - $42Bill stimulus package

Even focused with multiplers factored in, every dollar hitting the mark, and flowing through to hitting the next mark, creating some Velocity, its a big ask. A huge Task.
With "Laissez faire" , "I'll have what he's having" and "She'll be right", it is a fleabite on an elephant.

Good luck comrades.

EDIT (Apoligies Judd - just saw your post in Economy on debt with the same M West article -took me an hour to compose my post!! :)
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Re: The next wave of this crisis

Postby Judd » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:22 pm

benthonic wrote:(((PS <A resolution for 2001> Still don't know how to post apart from cut 'n' paste - what is the technique to have it in the 'box'? )))

EDIT (Apoligies Judd - just saw your post in Economy on debt with the same M West article -took me an hour to compose my post!! :)


No problems Mr B. The poo which is probably about to hit the fan is going to be more important than duplicate posts.

Re: cut and paste.

Once you have pasted the article, highlight it with your mouse - I find it easier to move the cursor to the start, then hold down the Shift key while using the down arrow to get to the bottom of the pasted article. Once highlighted, move the cursor to the Quote button, click and voilà.

In regard to the article, what is also of concern, and this aspect was inferred in the comments following the article, is the indifference apparently displayed by the Australian population. My wife works with middle class colleagues, ie mostly the same as us in that they pay bills on time and keep their noses clean, but she does notice the care-free approach displayed to debt (repayment of the credit card is worked on the basis that God will provide) and matters such as the cost of sandwiches ($5.50 for ham and cheese with a $1 extra for each topping - two sandwiches apparently cost one lass $28 but that didn't stop her buying sandwiches the next day instead of bringing her lunch.)

For me, I notice that customers are slightly changing their buying habits (substituting home brand cleaning agents for the brand names for example), while complaining about the price of petrol, the cost of bananas or other food, they are still buying heaps of snack food and soft drinks (and booze). It's really weird. One regular spends about $400 every Thursday and then comes back the next day to spend another $100 "Oh, I just don't know where it all goes," she says. She is not alone, there are a lot of them out there folks. It's bloody frightening because we frugal and careful people are relying on these morons to do the "right thing" to get us all out of a deep, deep hole and despite all good political intentions PM K Rudd ain't gonna do it and nor will Mr Turnybull and as for Mr Brown, well, what is the colour of the matter hitting the fan?
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Re: The next wave of this crisis

Postby Pedro-Egoli » Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:21 pm

At the moment with all the forecast doom and gloom and we must spend to save the country, the ABC in Brisbane ran a topic "how to get the best price on widgets".

Only a couple of callers suggested paying a fair price , after doing homework, whereas most were trying to screw the shop owner right down because "everyone knows they are in trouble". "Keep him talking for as long as possible so he will meet your demands just to make a sale" was one suggestion

If the shop owner doesn't make a fair return he will go belly up and the next time around when someone wants to buy from him , because he gives a good price, he won't be there and neither will his staff.

I have always enjoyed bartering but have kept the following quotation in mind , and whilst it deals with quality I thought of it when the fair price was mentioned.

It's unwise to pay too much but it's unwise to pay too little.
When you pay too much you lose a little money, that is all.
When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything,
because the thing you bought was incapable
of doing the thing you bought it to do.
The common law of business balance prohibits
paying a little and getting a lot.
It can't be done.
If you deal with the lowest bidder,
it's well to add something for the risk you run.
And if you do that,
you will have enough to pay for something better!"

John Ruskin (1819-1900)


The screw to the last $ might deepen the wave of this current crisis.
Happy days,

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Re: The next wave of this crisis

Postby J. Pathe » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:22 pm

Indeed not a pretty picture... best of luck to all.

Alan Kohler
Prelude to a kiss-of-death

The humiliation of the US Securities and Exchange Commission over Bernard Madoff and Sir Allen Stanford, and President Obama’s $US275 billion mortgage bailout plan are early wake-up calls for Australia.

There are big differences between Australia and the US, but they shouldn’t breed complacency.

It’s likely that Australia’s hard landing has merely been postponed, not cancelled. Even if, by some miracle, Australia can actually escape the global meltdown that is now evident, should Australia’s policy-makers assume that this country will somehow muddle through (as opposed to asserting that for political purposes)?

From what we are now witnessing in the news out of Japan and Europe, including Russia, as well as the US, the world is experiencing an economic catastrophe far beyond anything imagined even a few months ago. The idea that Australia can avoid a painful recession is a delusion.

It is imperative that Australia’s economic and securities policy-makers now establish a disaster plan, just like the police forces did with the threat of terrorism. The government and the Australian Securities and Investments Commission have been given some precious breathing space, which is quickly running out. It should be used urgently.

In the US, it has been discovered that the SEC can’t pick up Ponzi schemes. Madoff and Stanford ran obvious ones: they were one-man bands; they were hedge funds without hedge fund fees; their returns were suspiciously consistent – in 1995 and 1996, for example, the returns were identical – 15.71 per cent – and so on.

Are there none of these in Australia? Well, yes, there was Chartwell in Geelong, which has caused so much misery in a town that can least afford it.

Storm Financial in Townsville was not so much a Ponzi scheme, where new money finances the returns on old money, as a scandalous partnership between spivs and a bank, that should have known better, to place ordinary people in harm’s way.

ASIC should urgently audit Australia’s investment schemes and look for the warning signs that have been highlighted by the Madoff and Stanford debacles, if only for its own sake. The credibility and morale of the SEC has been severely damaged by its failure to act early against those two charlatans.

Australia has an appalling system for managing savings in this country, in which financial salespeople are allowed to masquerade as advisors and receive large commissions for selling on “investment products”, which in turn are allowed to charge high, unregulated fees. It is a disaster waiting to happen.

And the Rudd government should not simply assume that Australia will escape a significant rise in mortgage defaults.

Yes, there are two big differences: Australia’s banks are well capitalised and, unlike in the US, mortgage interest rates have fallen sharply with the reduction in the cash rate.

But unemployment here is about to rise sharply and house prices are still too high relative to income (three times average income versus a long-term figure of less than one).

The US government has now been forced to use taxpayers’ money to subsidise the modification of home loans (that is, reduce repayments in an effort to cut foreclosures).

The plan is a vast experiment in moral hazard (borrowers who took on too much debt are just being let off the hook) and it may not work anyway because ownership of the loans is so widely dispersed through mortgage securitisation.

But what is Kevin Rudd’s plan? Hope for the best?



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Re: The next wave of this crisis

Postby benthonic » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:14 pm

my favourite gloomsters (ignore their get rich quickies) http://www.thedailyreckoning.com

"...We’ve explained the difference between a recession and a depression before. But we’ll do it again. A recession is a pause in an otherwise healthy, growing economy. A depression is when the economy drops dead. And when it drops dead, the assets that people owned – stocks, bonds, houses, derivatives, debt – are called into question. What are they worth, now that the economy that created them no longer exists? That’s the big question. The U.S. economy has been expanding for the last 60 years – largely by increasing consumer spending and debt. Now, neither consumer spending nor debt is increasing. In the last 6 months, consumers have suddenly reversed their free-spending ways. Borrowers and lenders have repented too. But if it is no longer an economy that grows by increasing consumption and debt...how does it grow at all? And what about all those businesses that are set up to provide products and services to the consumer economy? And what about all the debts and obligations that the consumer economy produced; what are they worth?

That’s what everyone wants to know. So the markets have entered into a period of vigorous price discovery. Some things are still valuable, of course. A house, for example. But many things aren’t as valuable as they used to be. The house won’t be worth as much if people can’t borrow to buy it...or if potential buyers can’t get a job. And the mortgage debt that the house carried...which was recycled into a leveraged debt instrument...is bound to be worth a lot less than people once thought.

But it takes time to sort out the good assets from the bad ones. How much does the business owe? To whom? Who owes it money? Will the debtor be able to pay?....."
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Re: The next wave of this crisis

Postby benthonic » Tue Mar 10, 2009 8:25 pm

and now for something from the old fraud himself

(I suppose 3 out of 5 ain't bad - 4 if you substitute 'electronic' for 'mechanical')

"Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses and mechanical products, pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks, which will have to be nationalised, and the state will have to take the road which will eventually lead to communism."

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Karl Marx 'Das Kapital' 1867

(love that compulsion, Karl baby)
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Re: The next wave of this crisis

Postby benthonic » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:03 am

Some numbers

Annual global GDP - $63 trillion

credit default swaps out there - $62 trillion

The worldwide financial meltdown has eliminated about $50 trillion of nominal wealth globally. Even if the feds have put back in $14 trillion - in various forms, little of it actually reaching peoples' pockets - it is a small and futile gesture, compared to what has been lost. - dailyreckoning.com

latest US son-of-TARP package $1 trillion

total Global stimulus packages over last 12mths - $2.6 trillion


and to conceive what a trill looks like

http://www.pagetutor.com/trillion/index.html
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Re: The next wave of this crisis

Postby Disco Stu » Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:06 pm

Wolfgang Münchau, writing in the Financial Times on June 14, 2009, eloquently summed up developments. "Instead of solving the problems to generate a recovery, the political strategies have consisted of waiting for a recovery to solve the problem. The Europeans are relying on the Americans to generate growth. The Americans are relying on the Chinese, who in turn are waiting for the rest of the world."


Long article by Satyajit Das, he likes listening to himself however what he has to say is probably worth listening to. I won't bother posting it all here. Link is below...

http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/fe ... t_id=10275
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Re: The next wave of this crisis

Postby benthonic » Tue Sep 15, 2009 9:49 pm

as meaningful as anything on the 12 mth 'wringing of hands' viz Lehmans

on ninemsn poll : Do you think the financial crisis is over in Australia?

Yes: 23,659; No: 68,278
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Re: The next wave of this crisis

Postby LainieJean » Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:03 pm

We seem to have climbed out of a slough of despond today, market up over 100, not often that happens.

5000 before Christmas.


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Re: The next wave of this crisis

Postby Disco Stu » Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:11 pm

Hedge Funds’ ATM Moves From Tokyo to Washington: William Pesek
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Commentary by William Pesek

Sept. 18 (Bloomberg) -- China is getting all worked up about the wrong thing when it comes to the U.S.

Forget these nascent trade wars over tires, cars and chickens. China’s real problem is how quickly the dollars they hold in great quantity are getting all the respect of pesos these days. Sound like hyperbole? Not when you consider what may be the hottest investment of 2010: the dollar-carry trade.

Move over Japan. Investors spent a decade borrowing in zero-interest-rate yen and putting the funds in higher-yielding assets overseas. It’s the U.S.’s turn to flood the world with cheap funding and the risks of this going wrong are huge.

The carry trade has never been a proud part of Japan’s post-bubble years. Officials in Tokyo rarely talk about the yen’s role in funding risky or highly leveraged bets on markets from Zimbabwe to New Zealand. Japan never set out to become a giant automated teller machine for speculators. It was a side effect of policies aimed at ending deflation.

The perils of the carry trade were seen in October 1998. Russia’s debt default and the implosion of Long-Term Capital Management LP devastated global markets. It was a decidedly panicky and messy period culminating in the yen, which had been weakening for years, surging 20 percent in less than two months.

Now imagine what might happen if the world’s reserve currency became its most shorted. Carry trades are, after all, bets that the funding currency will weaken further or stay down for an extended period of time. It’s also a wager that a central bank is trapped into keeping borrowing costs low indefinitely.

Cheapest Currency

“The dollar is the cheapest funding currency bar none and only challenged by the U.K. in terms of the risks from money printing and escalating deficits,” says Simon Grose-Hodge, a strategist at LGT Group in Singapore.

Three-month London interbank offered rates, or Libor, for dollar loans are at a record low and fell below those for the yen on Aug. 24 for the first time in 16 years.

Think about the turbulence that would be unleashed by the dollar suddenly shooting 5 percent or 10 percent higher with untold numbers of traders around the globe on the losing side of that trade. It could make the “Lehman shock” look manageable.

The U.S. once was a beneficiary of carry trades. The gap between U.S. and Japanese bond yields offered a payoff. You could borrow for almost nothing and buy U.S. debt, receiving a twofold benefit: the 3-plus percentage-point yield difference and the dollar’s strengthening versus the yen. The latter dynamic boosts profits when they are converted back to yen.

How Big?

Yen borrowers bought everything from Shanghai properties to Google Inc. shares, bars of gold, Zambian treasury bills and derivatives contracts. The odd thing, however, was the lack of credible data. When I asked Japanese officials in recent years for estimates of how big the yen-carry trade had become, I got blank stares.

That’s what makes such a trade worrisome and easy to dismiss as a threat to markets. No one knows how big it is -- how many companies, hedge funds or mutual funds borrowed or how much. So when a currency turns suddenly, the magnitude of the unwinding is often a surprise.

The dollar is under pressure for valid reasons. Deficits are widening faster than U.S. officials can measure, and debt- issuance plans are increasing. The U.S. is in recession and the Federal Reserve is still shoveling liquidity into markets.

Dollar Concerns

Add to that China’s growing concerns about its dollar holdings -- more than $800 billion of U.S. Treasuries -- which may lead to fewer Chinese purchases. That also goes for Japan, which has $725 billion of U.S. debt.

Really, betting against the dollar would seem to be as safe as assuming Japanese 10-year bond yields will stay at less than 2 percent. And if Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke aren’t careful, the dollar will become the main trade dispute with China.

U.S. President Barack Obama’s 35 percent tariff on tires from China spurred a Chinese investigation into prices of U.S. poultry and car products. That’s small beer compared with the magnitude of the task facing Geithner and Bernanke should China pull the plug on Treasuries.

China would be hard-pressed to do that, of course. Its dollar holdings are about keeping the yuan low and helping exporters. Still, any hint China would be buying fewer Treasuries could send the dollar lower.

What if, for example, a U.S. recovery comes faster than expected, sparking a massive reversal of the carry trade? Its implications would be felt far more widely than shifts in yen bets. Increased dollar volatility could even bring down a few hedge funds and the odd investment bank.

The dollar-carry trade says nothing good about confidence in the U.S. economy. It’s also a reminder that the side effects of this crisis may be setting us up for a bigger one.
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Re: The next wave of this crisis

Postby Judd » Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:26 am

Ever wondered whether the conspiracy theory was true? You know the one, develop a product to flog off using sub-prime borrowers where we (individual traders/bankers) make a sh!tload of money, assume that the only way it could go wrong was if the housing market went Pfft!, take the position that the Government would not want the economy to go really down the toilet and bail the economy out and, on that basis, let's just do it!
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